What is really
going on in the church
My thoughts on the new revivalism that has entrenched itself on
Benny Hinn was the first to breathe on people for them to receive the spirit. He then used
jacket waving. He then waved his hands while blowing in the microphone. Now he only has to
say "touch" and they go down. like fermented wine Things certainly can improve
with age .
It was Benny Hinn who inaugurated Rodney Browne into ministry at one of his meetings in
the early 90's from there he went to Hagin and then Copeland's church, then TBN and the
rest is history.
Browne says this much Chaos must be from the holy ghost. This is clearly double-talk . The
Holy Ghost of the bible does not create chaos he turns chaos into order. Browne describes
the spirit he calls holy as a force like electricity running out of his fingers bouncing
off and deflecting to others. Is this describing the holy ghost of the scripture or a
power that is running amuck in their services. He's got everyone under his spell of
laughter thinking that anything that goes on at these meetings even if they are
clearly unbiblical is of the holy Ghost. This is the new order of another spirit not
the Holy Spirit of God. He states : " I'd
rather be in a church where the devil and the flesh are manifesting than in a church where
nothing is happening because people are too afraid to manifest anything... and if a devil
manifests, dont worry about that either. Rejoice because at least something is
happening." One could write several volumes chronicling the errors in the above
statement. A revival of the Spirit does not manifest the flesh. God says clearly that if
one walks in the Spirit, that he will not fulfill the desires of the flesh. (Gal. 5:1 6).
These are contrary to each other. The works of the flesh will never compliment the
workings of the Spirit. If the devil and the flesh are manifesting in a meeting, I would
hope that it was an exorcism and the devil would be leaving rather than staying and
participating! Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, not to put him on display.
John Arnott of the Toronto Vineyard says we should be open minded like the Bereans.
this is hardly what occurs. Their open-mindedness was to search the scriptures not open
The Vineyard has taken this to the extreme that when they hold their hands above
peoples heads palms are down and they are motioning as if pumping something into the
person at the same time saying more lord more; fill, come lord, bathe. This is called
soaking prayer. Others hold their hands toward them praying as if they are feeding them
more power. Others scoop their hands toward themselves saying give me more of the Spirit.
Some hold fingers at the top of the head others at the bottom of there back. Transference
of the Holy Spirit from one person to another. People pointed to fall unable to move for
hours. Some experience deliriums partial paralysis, some stagger inebriated from their
soaking. There is a loss of some or all of the senses.
People go dumb, blank out have no recall what they were talking about or who they are.
(this is found on the videos). But they feel good! So its from God.
Wimber had stated, there's nothing in scripture to support these kind of phenomena...So I
feel no obligation to try to explain it...Its just people responding to God.' But what if
it is not, (of which myself and others are convinced is the case) How many people become
hurt by a stand by attitude. Are you standing by watching this occur in your Church.
Designated drivers are used for those who are too drunk in the spirit to get home. We now
have what the world has but in the spirit, drunkenness.
One article I had read mentioned the possibility of God using this as a travesty and utter
abandonment to show the state of much of the Church. like a comedy of religious satire,
one laughs to cover their tears. but is God laughing?
Several years back Phil Donahue on his program interviewed various people involved in the Toronto revival.
One was Guy Chevreau who had written a book on it. What one heard in the interview was
that this was God because of their experience,. what was sadly lacking was Scripture. When
Mr. Donahue questioned one of the woman featured in the film clips about her antics, She
also described the experience as holding an electric wire. Her response was that in
everything will be the flesh. This is the common response (more like an excuse) which
I find loaded with fault. Now we can blame the Holy Spirit for our uncontrollable
behavior. The bible says if one yields to the spirit they are not in the flesh (Gal.5) So
what spirit has a mixture? The Reverend from England said his Church is being filled up
for no other reason than people coming for an experience. So they are not coming to hear
the word of God. Wonderful isn't it!
At one point in the program a woman from the audience stood up in response to what she was
hearing. saying she was not impressed by any of this, she is impressed by god in an oak
tree and doesn't bother with God in any Church, synagogue or mosque. She respects life in
all people and this is the religion we should practice taking care of the worlds given to
us... No one said a word of correction, there was no boldness exhibited for Jesus. Where
is the new anointing they claim they have? I thought that's what the baptism of the spirit
is about. There was no witness, no standing for the word of truth. No bold witness than
there is no Spirit of God. Whatever spirit is operating it certainly is not lifting up the
true Jesus to the world. Its a party spirit; a god reduced to feelings and experience.
The truth is god will start a new revival by outpouring his spirit on the faithful
teachers of his word. Its is the clarion call of the gospel which brings revival. the
standard of Christ held up as the blazing light in a world of darkness.
In another interview of Toronto by Inside Edition, a woman was asked if she could
stop laughing. She said yes but why would she want to. At the end of the interview another
woman was on the floor laughing said "it was if someone told a dirty joke." She
just may be right. Right afterwards they showed Paul McKenna a hypnotist who gave people
auto suggestions and showed how people can be open relaxing their minds and made to do
just about anything. Then following that was the worship of Elvis a new cult of
spirituality formed around him by intense admirers and devotees who considered him a god.
(even having his picture on the cross) I found the sequence of the clips to be quite
astute by the reporters. Sometimes the world shows more discernment than the Church. It is
a dirty joke and its on the Church!
This has now become tradition these techniques and experiences, in these holy ghost
meetings are foreign to the scripture. They are found practiced in eastern religions and
the new age movement. This is a pantheistic view of the spirit as a force that permeates
the air around us. In the new age therapies this is done to balance energies to bring
health to the body. Scripturally prayer is unto God and we can expect to wait not see
immediate results that are displayed by power. Can one point their finger as one walks
away and hit them with the holy ghost by surprise? Now they can!
Some claim the enemy is copying the church. That these are counterfeits of the real thing.
But the enemy doers not make only counterfeits he invents new spiritual practices. What is the real of the counterfeit of the ouji board or astrology or astral
travel. You would be hard pressed to find its counterpart in the scripture as practiced in
the church. Yes Paul did go to heaven which he did not know if it was bodily or not. but
this is not a normal experience where some or even everyone can go there!
There are numerous cures to stress or psychosomatic sicknesses. Primal screaming has had
many testimonies, laughter therapy releases stress. Many say they have had an experience
where there was contention in their life and marriage and it is now gone. Stress can be
overcome by numerous ways. Maybe the oppression of the enemy is lifted and they feel peace
but this can also mean a further deception having one attribute their deliverance to a non
Can a unbeliever be slain in the spirit lay on the floor have an experience and rise up a
Christian without ever hearing the gospel. Rodney Brown, and Benny Hinn thinks so. Problem
is that those from the secular press attended and were slain and rose up as unconverted as
before they went down.
The power that is expressed in his manifestations are completely outside biblical
guidelines. Roaring and barking are linked to Babylonian religious festivals Jer.51:37-40
not to God. Years before in a crusade in brazil barking and roaring occurred which was
labeled demonic. No one entertained the thought it was a manifestation from the spirit,
not so anymore!
Jerry Steingard a vineyard pastor who is part of the Canadian outbreak spoke in faith
today a Canadian magazine. The enemy can counterfeit any of the signs and wonders but the
enemy can't counterfeit and would not want to counterfeit the fruit. Satan has no desire
to see people love Jesus more or witness to people more. While this has some points of
truth. Satan would be pleased to lead unsuspecting and undiscerning people to false ideas
of Jesus and how he operates. Where is their proof of authenticity? The only thing that
distinguishes true healings and supernatural encounters is right doctrine. They don't use
People travel to get the anointing to Toronto to Pensacola. This doesn't sound like an
outpouring of the Holy Spirit unless one believes it is exclusive to those promoting
certain peculiar doctrines. Those who receive the impartation are encouraged to keep
it going or it will die. If this was true revival no man could hinder it. This
has become a localized "revival" passed on from person to person by touch.
And for the time being it will probably operate this way until much of the church
has been opened to this new model of ministry. I have no doubt that one day it will be a
normal type of practice if hasn't become that already. The church has rolled out the
carpet so that this new teaching can just walk in and make experience seekers comfortable
to lie down.
We now are being lead by men to enter the spiritual realm and experience the supernatural
to learn the deeper things of God. Gnosticism teaches experience brings knowledge.
The word is preached towards the experience. Doctrine is no longer the glue that
binds but like the new age counterpart experiential knowledge.
We need to think theologically and doctrinally, not just with the heart. Ask yourself do
their teachings have the Christian distinctive or is it a conglomeration of many other
THE CHURCH IS DETERIORATING FROM WITHIN. The pillar and ground for the truth has now
become a experimental lab for the supernatural. Satan's plan for the church is that
we look so silly and foolish, being paralyzed, laughing and squirming on the floor that
even the bizarre cults that teach false doctrine will look acceptable.
Did you ever see cows go into a stampede. It begins with a single cow getting ornery
and he goes off the cliff and the rest follow. No matter how hard a cow hand tries to keep
them from going they have to ride it out. sheep are no different they follow others sheep.
Where there is an absence of discernment heresy thrives. If we had any discernment instead
of laughing with him we would have laughed Rodney Browne out of the church. Not
Where is this so called river leading that they are asking you to jump into? I suspect to
the big ocean where all the belief systems converge. A one world spirituality based on
experience... its mystical, its Gnostic and its influence is growing.
Its a revival called Mystery Babylon...
and it will one day be operated by the false Christ and the false prophet. But then who
believes this anymore?