TheJesus who became Sin!
Under inspiration, Paul warns in 1 Corinthians 12:3: Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, (anathema) and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. Anathema meant a thing devoted to God without being redeemed, doomed to destruction (a sinner, or satanic being). If Christ became sin He is accursed, which is exactly what some Bible teachers are saying today. While Jesus became a curse in our place this is a different word than accursed.
The Bible commends those who study to show themselves approved by rightly dividing the Word of truth. This often takes time and effort to get a true revelation from the Scriptures. There are those who claim to have a revelation, but investigation determines that their source was not the Scriptures but knowledge from another source outside of Scripture. They then conform the written Word to this new revelation. New more often means false! As the saying goes, if its new its not true: if its true its not new. There is too much untrue new today that has replaced the old that is true. Peter says, you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior (2 Peter 3:2).
There is no greater example of this than from the word faith teachers who have taken certain Scriptures as proof text of their teaching that Jesus died spiritually not only physically on the cross. They claim when he was on the cross he became sin, he died sinful and descended into the earth for three days. He did not recover from this condition until after he became born again, as the first born of many brethren. They state the reason he needed to be born again is because he died spiritually and became sin. Then Jesus found himself in the same position as anyone else born in sin. This makes Christ a sinner without being born in sin or ever sinning.
The question everyone needs to ask is, does the Bible actually teach this? If so we should embrace it. If not, what does it do to the Jesus of the Bible? Numerous cult groups have changed Jesus into a mere man or an angel, or someone other than the God who became sinless man and was victorious by dying on the cross. This Jesus could be worse.
To start we need to look at their view of the cross and what exactly was accomplished there. Lets hear them tell it for themselves Kenneth Hagin, The death of Jesus Christ was not a physical death alone. If it had been a physical death, Abel would have paid the price for mankind. He was the first man that died because of honoring God and His Word. If it had been a physical death only, it wouldn't have worked! And if He hadn't died spiritually, that body never would have died. (What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)
Notice the distortion of understanding the Biblical facts. Abel was murdered by his brother, it was not a willing sacrificial death. Jesus, although murdered by his brethren, went willingly. It was not a mistake. It was done at a specific place at a specific time in a specific way. God ordained it through the hands of men of Israel and the Roman authorities.
Kenneth Hagin again states, He (Jesus) tasted spiritual death for every man. And his spirit and inner man went to hell in my place. Cant you see that? PHYSICAL DEATH WOULDNT REMOVE YOUR SINS. He tasted death for every man. Hes talking about spiritual death. (How Jesus obtained his name tape # 44HO1 side 1)
Kenneth Copeland also reiterates what his mentor says, When His blood poured out it did not atone. (Kenneth Copeland: From a personal letter to D.R.McConnell, dated 12/3/79. Cited in A Different Gospel, p.120) Just to be sure this is not misinterpreted he says the same to The Christian Research Institute that requested a statement ...When His blood poured out, it did not atone. It did away with the handwriting of the ordinances that were against us. (K. Copeland, Form letter, March 12, 1979 )
Copeland teaches, Because his physical death was not enough for the payment of sins there was a another way for sins payment. Jesus put Himself into the hands of Satan when He went to that cross, and took that same nature that Adam did [when he sinned]. (Kenneth Copeland, The Incarnation (Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1985, audiotape #01-0402) side 1.)
What actually did happen to Christs spirit is seen in Luke 23:46: Father, into Thy hands I commit My Spirit ( Matthew 27:50; John 19:30). Jesus put Himself into the hands of the Father, not Satan. He pronounced His time of departure, yielding His spirit to God the Father, and then breathed His last. He gave His body for us, and committed His spirit to God. His spirit did not die, or go to sleep, nor was it taken captive in hell. The cross was a place of victory not of defeat. In response to CRI concerns of his view of the atonement and spiritual death Copeland sent to answer their questions concerning his view of Christ's atoning work - Since He (Jesus) was made to be sin, He had to pay the penalty for sin. He had to die spiritually, which took Him into the regions of the damned, before He could redeem us. K. Copeland, Form letter dated March 12, 1979 (Christian Research Institute).
The Bible-God was reconciling the world to himself (2 Corinthians5:19). Jesus never had the fallen nature of Adam. If he did, it would have disqualified Himself as the sacrifice. How could he reconcile the world if he became something other than the sinless sacrifice? The Bible teaches that Christ was separate from sinners and did not atone for himself.
Common sense should prevail. God in Isaiah 53:11 calls Jesus as His righteous servant during the time of His suffering on the cross? If Jesus were truly transformed into a Satanic being or had the nature of Satan he could not be called righteous by God. If Jesus took on the nature of Satan he would hardly be praying for His enemies, instead of Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do, (Lk.23:34) he would also be asking for revenge. Satan's enemy is the Church, so then Christ would not be dying for the forgiveness of sins. He would not want to remove sin if he had the nature of Satan, instead he would want to promote it. Which is unconsciously what the faith teachers do when they move the atonement event to a later time and place.
Which death paid for our sins
Because of their expanding theology, which brings the atonement as a continuation, they have read into passage to conclude Jesus died a double death, both physically and spiritually. One of the main texts they make use of to promote the double-death of Christ (physical and spiritual) is Isaiah 53:9, He made His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in His death... In the Hebrew the word for death in this verse is in the plural form, deaths. This is interpreted as proof that Jesus suffered a double-death, both physical (his body) and spiritual (his spirit) death on the cross! Was Jesus death both a physical as well as spiritual one?
The word for DEATH in Hebrew is mawet; it appears 150 times in the Old Testament. The foremost and obvious interpretation of this passage is in the context itself. With the rich in His death; this is in reference to his body being buried in Joseph of Arimatheas tomb. (Matthew 27:57-60) It would be ridiculous to say that both his body and spirit were in the tomb, since that would go against Scripture as well as the doctrine the faith teachers are promoting.
D.R McConnell explains the Hebrew plural in this text in relation to Kenyon's teachings: Plural nouns are extremely common in the Hebrew Scriptures. They are not just used to denote numerical plurality, but also to emphasize a particular meaning of the noun. In Hebrew, plural nouns express majesty, rank, excellence, magnitude and intensity. In Isaiah 53:9, 'deaths' is a plural of intensity used by the writer to indicate that the death mentioned was a particularly violent one. It no more means that the king of Tyre died two deaths than that the Messiah died two deaths. (D.R. McConnell, p.128.)
V. 9 reads: And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his deaths (bemotav). In his deaths is a Hebrew way of speaking and means in His violent death or something of that type. That the word death is plural and says nothing about the servant. For even though the plural death is used, the reference remains singular: his. There is no reference to a subject, or to a servant, in the plural form. That would be, in their deaths, bemotehem.
The verse has, in his deaths. The word deaths is in the plural. The Hebrew plural form deaths can also mean violent death. Then the translation would be: And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his violent death. Christ's death was not something he deserved, but did for us.
Isa.53:9 The plural deaths intensifies the force, Adam by sin `dying died' (Gen. 2:17, margin) incurred death physical and spiritual. So Messiah, His substitute, endured death in both senses: spiritual, during His temporary abandonment by the Father; physical, when He expired. (from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary)
Greek Scholars agree it was a violent death. Another example of this interpretation is in Ezek. 28:8-10, which depicts the violent and certain death of the king of Tyre: you will die the death of those who are slain. Keil and Delitzsch, in their Commentary on the Old Testament, Vol. 7, Isaiah, inform us that in both the Isaiah and Ezekiel passages, the plural form for death is an example of pluralis exaggerativus: it is applied to a violent death, the very pain of which makes it like dying again and again. It obviously does not mean that you will literally die more than one death, no one dies over and over. It is describing of the intensity of that one death.
Jesus himself explained what his death meant when he told us to remember him by partaking in both the body and blood. These are physical elements of a physical activity with a spiritual meaning (Luke 22:19,20; 1Corinthians11:24-26). In 1 Corinthians 11 we are told that as often as we eat the bread and drink the cup we are proclaiming the Lords death till He comes. Which death are we announcing? This Scripture speaks of only one death involved in redemption, a physical death. This is the death we are to remember him by. The wafer represents His body and the wine represents His blood. The wafer was made with no leaven in it, as leaven is a symbol of sin. Therefore Christ was sinless. Mark 14:22-24 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them and said, Take, eat; this is My body. Then He took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. And He said to them, This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many. Paul states in 1 Cor. 10:16-17: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? Hebrews 13:21 calls this sacrifice the blood of the everlasting covenant. In other words, without the blood we cannot have a relationship with God; this involves his physical death. There is no element in the Lords Supper to remind us of his spiritual death. Jesus spoke of laying down His physical life in John 15:13, not his spirit.
In John 6:51, Jesus describes Himself as, ...the living Bread which came down from heaven, and the bread which I shall give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. He did not speak of giving his spirit with his body nor his spirit separately- but HIS FLESH for the life of the world. The word flesh indicates the body. Jesus never teaches anything about his spirit being involved in the atonement.
This sacrifice is dependent upon a physical death. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. The atonement came by the blood, the life of man. The blood atones, not any suffering by itself, before or after the cross. All the Old Testament types and symbolic usages of sacrifices show Christ as the fulfillment of the law and the sacrifices. No Old Testament animal sacrifice had any relationship to a spiritual death. John uses Old Testament typology as he introduced Jesus as the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world; this was done by death.
The Bible- Col.1:20: And by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach.
This is related to a physical death. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Even if he did die spiritually, Its not his spiritual death that could have any importance but the atonement through the blood, the life of man. The blood atones, not any suffering by itself before or after the cross. The whole Old Testament types and symbolic usage's of sacrifices show Christ as the fulfillment of the law.
Both Paul's epistles to different churches explain the very same things.
Col. 1:14: In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Eph. 1:7: In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.
Heb. 10:19-20 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh.
Revelation 1:5...To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood.
He suffered only one death and it was on the cross, the death of his flesh. In this death he became obedient to the Father (Philippians 2:8). It is by this act of submission that we were redeemed and restored to fellowship.
BECOMING SIN FOR US
2 Corinthians 5:21 Word-Faith promoters confuse the meaning of this passage, since it is important for their doctrine of substitution and validates the idea of Jesus suffering in hell. Paul says: For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us that we might be the righteousness of God in him. Isaiah 53:5 tells us that the chastisement of our peace was laid upon Him. Isaiah 53:6 says the Lord laid our iniquity on him, not in him; there was no change in nature. Our sin was laid to his account. He bore its penalty as a punishment, as our substitution; he carried it away (fulfilling the typology of the scapegoat in Lev.16), not becoming sin or crushed by it. As it says in v.10, it pleased the Lord to bruise him. How? By being a lamb led to the slaughter. V.12 tells us he made intercession for the transgressors, which would be hard to do if you became one of them. Since God does not hear the prayer of a sinful man, especially the sin fullest human that ever lived. (the faith teachers he became worse than all having every sin imaginable).
It was E.W. Kenyon that explained When this happened, spiritual death, the nature of Satan, took possession of His Spirit.... He was to partake of Spiritual Death, the nature of the Adversary.... Jesus knew that the moment had come, and He was to be made Sin. He must partake of that dread nature of the Adversary. His body would become mortal. Satan would become His master.... He [Jesus] had been lifted up as a serpent. Serpent is Satan. Jesus knew He was going to be lifted up, united with the Adversary. (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne Kenyon's Gospel Publishing Society, 1969, 20, 33, 44-45)
Creflo Dollar Hes got to look like a sinner. Or theyre not going to receive Him into hell, youve got to be a sinner. Hes got to somehow look like that serpent on that stick in Moses day. Hes got to look like a serpent in order to be taken in. And Jesus who had never sinned, made an exchange with His covenant partner. He says Let Me wear your coat of sin. Itll make Me look like a sinner. Ive never sinned, but if I can put your coat of sin on, when I get back Im going to give you my coat of righteousness. So The bible says that He who had not sinned was made sin. (Our Equality with God Through Righteousness 1/21/2001)
Jesus had to accept the sin nature of Satan. (Kenneth Copeland, What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, side 2.)
Nowhere in the Scripture does it say, God made Him to be a sinner' but 'He had made Him to be sin.' This occurred by taking our place as a substitution. Contrary to Kenyon's theology Jesus always was mortal in his human nature, and nowhere does Scripture say Satan became his master. God subject to Satan is not the teaching of the bible in any shape or form.
Jesus speaking to Copeland teaches him, It was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross....I accepted, in my own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off. (Kenneth Copeland, What Happened from the Cross to the Throne, side 2.)
Benny Hinn agrees Ladies and gentlemen, the serpent is a symbol of Satan. Jesus Christ knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him. You say, 'What did you say? What blasphemy is this?' No, you hear this! He did not take my sin; He became my sin. Sin is the nature of hell. Sin is what made Satan...It was sin that made Satan. Jesus said, 'I'll be sin! I'll go to the lowest place! I'll go to the origin of it! I won't just take part in it, I'll be the totality of it!' (Benny Hinn program, TBN, 12/15/90 )
First we need to know that the origin of sin was not Hell nor does Hell have a nature, therefore Jesus did not become or go to hell. The origin of sin for mankind the bible teaches is found in Adam the first man (Rom.5:12). Many of these men teach on Hell not as a place to avoid for punishment from our sin, but a place that Christ went because of sin! (Think about it, you rarely hear about eternal judgment as the consequence of not having your sin forgiven).
Paul warns in 1 Cor. 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, (anathema) and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. Anathema meant a thing devoted to God without being redeemed, doomed to destruction (a sinner, satanic being). If Christ became sin he is accursed, which is exactly what the faith teachers are saying. This would be different than the curse of the law in Gal. 3:13-14 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree) this shows he took the law away that made one guilty when they did not keep it perfectly. It also shows it occurred on the cross.( Col.2:14-15)
2 Cor. 5:21 In Adam Clarke's commentary he states He made him who knew no sin (who was innocent), a sin-offering for us. The word hamartia (NT:266) occurs here twice: in the first place it means sin, i.e. transgression and guilt; and of Christ it is said, He knew no sin, i.e. was innocent; for not to know sin is the same as to be conscious of innocence; to be conscious of nothing against one's self, is the same as to be unimpeachable.
In the second place, it signifies a sin-offering, or sacrifice for sin, and answers to the chaTa'ah (OT:2401) and chaTa'at (OT:2401) of the Hebrew text; which signifies both sin and sin-offering in a great variety of places in the Pentateuch. The Septuagint translates the Hebrew word by hamartia (NT:266) in 94 places in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, where a sin-offering is meant; and where our version translates the word not sin, but an offering for sin. Had our translators attended to their own method of translating the word in other places where it means the same as here, they would not have given this false view of a passage which has been made the foundation of a most blasphemous doctrine; namely, that our sins were imputed to Christ, and that he was a proper object of the indignation of Divine justice, because he was blackened with imputed sin; and some have proceeded so far in this blasphemous career as to say, that Christ may be considered as the greatest of sinners, because all the sins of mankind, or of the elect, as they say, were imputed to him, and reckoned as his own. One of these writers translates the passage thus: . God accounted Christ the greatest of sinners, that we might be supremely righteous. Thus they have confounded sin with the punishment due to sin. Christ suffered in our stead; died for us; bore our sins (the punishment due to them), in his own body upon the tree, for the Lord laid upon him the iniquities of us all; that is, the punishment due to them; explained by making his soul-his life, an offering for sin; and healing us by his stripes. (from Adam Clarke's Commentary)
Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown's Commentary on 2 Cor. 5:21 the representative guilt-bearer of the aggregate sin of all men past, present, and future. The sin of the world is one; therefore the singular, not the plural, is used; its manifestations are manifold (John 1:29: cf. Rom 8:3-4; Gal 3:13). [For us]-Greek, `in our behalf' (cf. John 3:14). Christ was represented by the brazen serpent, the form, but not of the substance, of the old serpent. At his death on the cross the sin-bearing for us was consummated.(from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary)
Albert Barnes notes on 2 Cor. 5:21, If the declaration that he was made sin hamartian (NT:266) does not mean that he was sin itself, or a sinner, or guilty, then it must mean that he was a sin-offering-an offering or a sacrifice for sin; and this is the interpretation which is now generally adopted by expositors; or it must be taken as an abstract for the concrete, and mean that God treated him as if he were a sinner. The former interpretation, that it means that God made him a sin-offering,
2 Cor. 5:21 Locke renders this: probably expressing the true sense, For God hath made him subject to suffering and death, the punishment and consequence of sin, as if he had been a sinner, though he were guilty of no sin. To me, it seems probable that the sense is, that God treated him as if he had been a sinner; that he subjected him to such pains and woes as would have been a proper punishment if he had been guilty; that while he was, in fact, in all senses perfectly innocent, and while God knew this, yet that in consequence of the voluntary assumption of the place of man which the Lord Jesus took, it pleased the Father to lay on him the deep sorrows which would be the proper expression of his sense of the evil of sin; that he endured so much suffering, as would answer the same great ends in maintaining the truth, and honor, and justice of God, as if the guilty had themselves endured the penalty of the Law. This, I suppose, is what is usually meant when it is said our sins were imputed to him; and though this language is not used in the Bible, and though it is liable to great misapprehension and perversion, yet if this is its meaning, there can be no objection to it.
(Certainly Christ's being made sin, is not to be explained of his being made sin in the abstract, nor of his having actually become a sinner; yet it does imply, that sin was charged on Christ, or that it was imputed to him, and that he became answerable for it. Nor can this idea be excluded, even if we admit that sin-offering is the proper rendering of hamartia (NT:266) in the passage. That Christ, says an old divine commenting on this place, was made sin for us, because he was a sacrifice for sin, we confess; but therefore was he a sacrifice for sin because our sins were imputed to him, and punished in him. All such views as go to make the Holy Redeemer a sinner, or guilty, or deserving of the sufferings he endured, border on blasphemy, etc. Nor is it wiser to affirm that if Christ was properly guilty, it would make no difference in this respect, whether it was by his own fault or by imputation. What may be meant in this connection by properly guilty, we know not. But this is certain, that there is an immense difference between Christ's having the guilt of our iniquities charged on him, and having the guilt of his own so charged. (from Barnes' Notes)
A.T Robertson states He made to be sin (hamartian
epoie˘sen). The words to be are not in the Greek.
Robertsons comment, We may not dare to probe too far into the mystery of Christs suffering on the Cross. Meaning its depth is left to God alone. But this is exactly what the faith teachers do, and because of this they come to the wrong conclusions. By going beyond what the Scripture states!
I John 3:5 says, And you know he appeared to take away our sins, and in him, THERE IS NO SIN, literally meaning that he had no sin before, during, nor after the cross. While many shift the atonement event to after the cross, there are some who may not understand that they are saying that there is NO salvation in the cross! But Paul states in 1 Corinthians1 that there is no salvation apart from the cross.
The UNFINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS
E.W. Kenyon wrote We have sung `Nearer the cross' and we have prayed that we might be `Nearer the cross' but the cross has no salvation in it. It is a place of failure and defeat (Advanced Bible Course, p.279)
Here is where Hagin and Copeland his disciple get his non-fundamental ideas. No salvation in the Cross! What does Paul say in 1 Cor.1, there is no salvation apart from the cross.
Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross and took His spirit to the dark regions of hell (Kenneth Copeland, Holy Bible: Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition 1991 p.129) To put this statement in the bible as a commentary (his edition) shows ones contempt for the truth.
Did Jesus say, It is unfinished!? Or FINISHED The Greek word for it is finished means paid in FULL. It was used to wipe away any debt that someone would owe to another.
Copeland is adamant The plan of redemption BEGAN when Jesus said It is FINISHED. (Classic Redemption, p.13) Jesus death on the cross was not enough to save us. (What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303), (Believer's Voice of Victory, September 1991)
After he dies spiritually he is not made alive (born again) until his suffers for our sin in HELL. According to Frederick Price's gospel: Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a cross? If that were the case, the two thieves could have paid your price. No, the punishment was to go into hell itself and to serve time in hell separated from God Satan and all the demons of hell thought that they had Him bound and they threw a net over Jesus and dragged Him down to the very pit of hell itself to serve our sentence. (Frederick K.C. Price, Ever Increasing Faith Messenger (June 1980) 7)
The evidence of Scripture is overwhelming testifying to the fact that Christs death upon the cross was a physical death only, there was no suffering in hell. He had victory on the cross, not defeat! (John 2:19-21; Ephesians 2:15; Col. 1:22; Hebrews 10:10; 1 Peter 2:24; 3:18; 4:1). One does not have to investigate all the Greek definitions to understand this. All they need to do is rightly divide the Word, looking at all the information on salvation and the crucifixion, to see what God has said about the event and what occurred.
The Bible- Galatians 6:14: But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Cor.2:2. I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Why say this if it is a place of defeat?
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God (Romans 3:25).
How much more shall the blood' of Christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:14).
A sin offering was to be pure without ANY DEFECT! What made Jesus' offering acceptable to God was that His was a sinless offering, a Holy and unblemished offering to God. How could Jesus have literally become sin when Hebrews 9:14 tells us that He offered Himself without blemish to God. Leviticus 6:25-29 clearly shows that the sin offering was most holy to God both before and after its death! 1 Peter 1:18-20 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. ...a Lamb without blemish. Just as 1 Jn.3:5 states, in him was NO SIN.
How much more shall the blood' of Christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:14).
Paul wrote the Ephesians that Christ loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. (Eph. 5:2).
Benny Hinn actually says, Had He (Jesus) not offered Himself through the Holy Ghost, He would not be accepted in the eyes of God the Father. Nor would He have endured the sufferings of the cross. Had He not presented Himself through the Holy Ghost, His blood would not have remained pure and spotless. And let me add this: Had the Holy Spirit not been with Jesus, He would have sinned. (Benny Hinn, Good Morning Holy Spirit, (Word, 1991) p.135)
What Hinn is proposing is that Christ was not God in his intrinsic nature and needed the Holy Ghost to keep him sinless. While it is true as he was in a state of submission that the holy Spirit was involved, it does not mean he lost his nature as God at any time, not before nor after the cross. But Hinn says he took on he nature of Satan when he was on the cross. In a conversation with Paul crouch he states Benny Hinn: Jesus Christ destroyed the power of Satan on earth, but destroyed Satan in the under world, the Holy Ghost wasnt there. Think about that. Yes, Think about that!
Notice what the book of Hebrews states, which is a NT commentary on the book of Leviticus.
The Bible Heb. 9:11-13 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. So he entered the most holy place. How could he do this if he was made sin if he was defiled in ANY way?
Heb. 9:18-22 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you. Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.
Heb 10:4-10 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. Then I said, 'Behold, I have come--In the volume of the book it is written of Me--To do Your will, O God.' Previously saying, Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them (which are offered according to the law), then He said, Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God. He takes away the first that He may establish the second. By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Lev. 17:11 for ...the life of the flesh is in the blood...it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
Going to Hell to suffer
The faith teachers explain that all was lost on the cross, nothing won. Jesus became the victim of the satanic kingdom tortured unlike any other because he came to save us.
Jesus said on the cross before he expired Father into your hands I commit my Spirit, but according to their view it didn't happen he was committed into Satan's hands. This means the Father did not accept the sacrifice, but instead rejected it by allowing him to be taken into the enemy hands. Lets hear them tell it as they express it in many different ways.
Hagin Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a cross? If that were the case, the two thieves could have paid your price. No the punishment was to go into hell itself and to serve time in hell separated from God ... Satan and all the demons of hell thought that they had him bound, and they threw a net over Jesus and they dragged Him down to the very pit of hell itself to serve our sentence.
Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross and took His spirit to the dark regions of hell (Kenneth Copeland, Holy Bible: Kenneth Copeland Reference Edition 1991 p.129.)
Jesus went into hell to free mankind from the penalty of Adam's high treason . . . When His blood poured out it did not atone. . . . Jesus spent three horrible days and nights in the bowels of this earth getting back for you and me our rights with God. (Kenneth Copeland: From a personal letter to D.R.McConnell, dated 12/3/79. found in his book A Different Gospel, p.120)
Notice the clear statement, he went to hell to pay the price. But more importantly is his distorted view of what Jesus is paying for. Its not about high treason its about the sin nature we inherited from Adam and have thus become separated from God.
Copeland defends this, declaring, it must be preached because it's ... the Truth and it sets people free. The day that Jesus was crucified, God's life, that eternal energy .. moved out of Him and He allowed the devil to drag him into the depths of hell as if He were the most wicked sinner who ever lived..[and] to come under Satan's control .. [or] His body would have never died. ... ( Believer's Voice of Victory, quoted in Berean call September, 1991)
Copeland describes ...Got Him (Jesus) in there. Jesus said three days and three nights the Son of Man will suffer in the heart of the Earth like Jonah in the belly of the whale. Suffered there. suffered your penalty. Suffered my penalty. the moment God was satisfied, He said, and He shouted right at the very portals of Heaven, and His word went into the pit, into that pit, the lousy guts of this earth, and He bypassed paradise...Jesus is down in that pit. Hes suffering down in there and all of a sudden (yells)Thy throne O God is Forever !!!(crowd cheers) He went deeper into that pit than any man had ever gone. He suffered all sin. No man has ever committed all sin, but that One suffered all sin, all sickness, all disease - the entire curse of the Law. Made a curse for - we dont have any concept of what He went through down there in the bowels of that place called Hell. (Believers voice of victory, Copeland 9/24/97) despite his saying this he is able to describe in detail what the bible does not.
He [Jesus] allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell....He allowed Himself to come under Satan's control...every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him....They tortured Him beyond anything anybody had ever conceived. For three days He suffered everything there is to suffer. (Kenneth Copeland, The Price of It All, 3.)
The Bible says it was for three hours on the cross the judgment of God fell on Jesus for our behalf. This is not enough according to Copeland and others, so it becomes days long. The location,HELL!
Joyce Meyers writes, During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go because of our sin. He paid the price there. ...no plan was too extreme. ... (The most important decision you will ever make p. 35, J. Meyers)
To her credit she also says....... that sinless blood had been shed to pay for man's sins. p. 38. But she then writes, For three days He was alone paying for our sins as only a man. Its somewhat confusing on what she actually believes. Which is it, the cross or the cross plus. To say he atoned for our sins as only a man seems to deny the hypostatic union of the two natures in the person of Christ as well.
Fred Price has allegiance in the same camp as he also teaches Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a cross? If that were the case, the two thieves could have paid your price. No, the punishment was to go into hell and to serve time in hell separated from God....Satan and all the demons of hell thought that they had Him bound and they threw a net over Jesus and they dragged Him down to the very pit of hell itself to serve our sentence. (F.K.C. Price, Ever Increasing Faith Messenger, Newsletter Crenshaw Christian Centre, Inglewood, CA. June 1980, p.7.)
How does Price also describe something the bible does not? The devil drag Him into the depths of hell! Satan doesn't run Hell. He hasn't even been there, and He has every intention of never being there. Neither will he have the ability to torture lost souls in Hell, because He (they) will themselves be tortured.
It becomes clear that the faith teaching states there would have been no price paid for sin if Jesus had finished his work on the cross and went to Paradise.
Charles Capp's says If there's any part of hell Jesus did not suffer, you'll have to suffer it. But, thank God, Jesus suffered it all, for you! In the place of the wicked dead, all the demons of hell and Satan rejoiced over the prize. The corridors of hell were filled with joy. 'We've done it! We've captured the Son of God! We'll no longer be in the pit of the damned! The earth and all that is therein is ours! Forever it will be ours!' Rejoicing in hell had never been so great as it was that day. But it was short-lived. (Authority in Three Worlds, 143 )
The word/faith teachers deny What Jesus told the apostles This is My blood...which is shed for many for the remission of sins (Mt. 26:28).
If Jesus was not victorious on the Cross, then he wasn't victorious AT ALL!
Did Jesus enter Hell or Hades?
Matthew 12:40, ...so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The use of this word heart meant the interior of a thing or of being in it. Here it is referring to the tomb he was in. Yet he did continue to exist as a Spirit (who is God in his nature).
Because they do not believe he was God in the flesh, but a man empowered by the spirit they can come to the erroneous conclusion that he was tortured in Spirit (if you think this is not so. Go to quotes on this teaching)
When Jesus used Jonah as an example it was to point to a location, and the manner of death not to punishment.
Kenneth Copeland states this as Bible when he says, For three days He suffered everything there is to suffer. Some people don't want to believe that. They want to believe that after His death, Jesus just stayed in that upper region of Sheol that the Bible calls paradise, but they're mistaken! If He had simply stayed there, there would have been no price paid for sin. (Believer's Voice of Victory, Vol. 19, No. 9, Sept. 1991)
Cerflo Dollar echoes his mentor saying, So now Jesus entered in legally into hell. But He was there illegally. Because once you get to hell theres got to be some record of your sin. Now He had to stay there 3 days and 3 nights. You better hope He went to hell because if He didnt go you and I would have to. You better hope He became every sickness, disease and depression and every piece of mess in the world because whatever He didnt become you and I would have to become (Our Equality with God Through Righteousness 1/21/2001).
Copeland again states I can't understand Christians that refuse to believe that Jesus went to hell. I want to tell you something if he didn't go, you're going to have to. (The Christian Channel Europe (Believer's Voice of Victory May 1998)
No, the point is that He shed his blood on the cross so you would not have to. To put him in the exact place we end up (as sinners) as an equalizer is wrong, dead wrong! He was speaking of the work the Father had given him to do. Then Jesus' statement "it is finished on the cross" was a lie for it was not finished yet, then Eph. 2:16 is false, that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross is not possible. It should read through suffering 3 days and nights in Hell!
Joyce Meyers echoes Copeland showing the ties she has with his heresy and this movement.
There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell (In her 1991 booklet, The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make).
She explains Christs atonement: During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell (The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make 1991 p. 35,). He went to hell to pay the debt you owed. (p.41 first edition)
His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. (The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make 1991, p.36.).
The Bible- I Peter 3:18, He writes For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being Put to death in the flesh, but quickened (made alive) This does not mean that He died spiritually and now he is spiritually resurrected, or by the Spirit. It means he died in the body, he was Put to death in the flesh not the Spirit. The spirit of Christ did not die, his flesh did. He continued his life existing in the spirit.
Christ died in body only and continued too exist in Spirit as he was before he came to earth. He was put to death in the sphere of the humanity but continued to be alive in the sphere of the Spirit. So his existence in his earthly life ended but continues He continued his life existing in the spirit inside the earth.
I Peter 3:18 states, For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened (made alive) by the Spirit. This does not mean that He died spiritually and then was spiritually resurrected by the Spirit. It means He died in the body, He was put to death in the flesh, not the spirit. The spirit of Christ did not die; His flesh did. He continued his life, existing in the spirit. Christ died in body only and continued to exist in spirit, just as He did before he came to earth. He was put to death in the sphere of the flesh but continued to be alive in the sphere of the spirit. So His existence in his earthly life ended but he continued his life existing in the spirit inside the earth before he resurrected.
V. 19-20: By whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. The spirits He went to preach to were those from the time of the flood; the word for preach is in Gr. Kerysso, meaning to proclaim or announce (judgment). This is different than to evangelize and proclaim the good news of reconciliation for salvation, which is used in 1 Peter 4:6. This proclamation is directed to either the fallen angels or the human souls that died in the flood (Jude 6; 2 Peter 2:4). Probably having to do with announcing that their judgment is imminent, as he had just come from the victory on the cross. Col. 2:15, Having disarmed principalities and powers, he made a public spectacle of them triumphing over them in it. When? On the cross (v.14), this could never have occurred if Christ was suffering in Hell, as they claim.
The Bible-Acts 2:27, For you will not leave my soul in Hades, nor will you allow your Holy One to see corruption.
Christ experienced no suffering from others, since that would be corruption. Peter repeats himself just a few verses later in Acts 2:31: His soul was not left in Hell (Hades), nor did his flesh did see corruption. Notice it says neither soul nor body saw corruption. Certainly to say that he became sin and was tortured as any other sinner would mean He did see corruption. The verse quoted by Peter is Psalm 16:10. The King James Version uses the word hell; a more accurate translation would be Sheol in Hebrew, which encompasses both Abrahams bosom and hell. Sheol is used 65 times in the Old Testament; rarely is it used to denote a place of torment. The customary meaning is realm of the dead, meaning the state of death or the grave (Gen. 37:35; 1 Sam. 2:6; Psalm 141:7). In New Testament Greek the equivalent for Hades is often interpreted as the realm of the dead. We find in Luke 16:23,25 that Hades can mean a place of torment, though it may equally be described as a place of rest, in Abrahams bosom, depending on which side you are on. The context should bear it out.
Jesus never suffered in hell under the torments of Satan. In fact, He told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in paradise that very day (Luke 23:43). If the atonement had not been completed on the cross, He could never have said that the thief would be in paradise with Him. The thief would have then entered suffering with Jesus.
There is no salvation apart from His blood sacrifice; without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Hebrews 10:29: Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? The Bible teaches that our redemption comes through the blood of the cross nothing else (Ephesians 1:7; Col. 1:14, 20).
His victory in HELL
After the three days of a mockery and the torture Charles Capps writes When Jesus was in the pit of hell. in that terrible torment, no doubt the Devil and his emissaries gathered around to see the annihilation of God's Son. But in the corridors of hell, there came a great voice from heaven: 'Turn Him Loose! He's there illegally!' And all of hell became paralyzed. (Authority in Three Worlds, 143 )
Why did He (Jesus) need to be begotten, or born? Because He became like we were: separated from God. Because He tasted spiritual death for every man....Jesus was the first person that was ever born again. (K. Hagin, How Jesus Obtained His Name, Tulsa: Rhema, audiotape #44H01)
Contrary to his human reasoning the meaning is the firstborn from death unto eternal life. It has to do with physical body not the Spirit.
Hinn teaches Christ's rebirth in hell: My, you know, whoosh! The Holy Ghost is just showing me some stuff. Im getting dizzy! Im telling you the truth-its, its just heavy right now on me Hes [referring to Jesus] in the underworld now. God isnt there, the Holy Ghost isnt there, and the Bible says He was begotten. Do you know what the word begotten means? It means reborn. Do you want another shocker? Have you been begotten? So was He. Dont let anyone deceive you. Jesus was reborn. You say, What are you talking about? He was reborn. He had to be reborn If He was not reborn, I could not be reborn, I would never be reborn. How can I face Jesus and say, Jesus, You went through everything Ive gone through, except the new birth? (Benny Hinn, Our Position In Christ, Part 1 (Orlando, FL: Orlando Christian Center, 1991), videotape #TV-254)
Consider the concept If He was not reborn, I could not be reborn. According to the Scripture Christ was not reborn so that means you were not either! [To be reborn means one needs a new nature because they are a sinner.]
Copeland states Jesus was reborn in the pits of hell. (What Happened From the Cross to the Throne)He was the first man to ever be born again from sin to the righteousness of God. Hallelujah !!! (9/24/97 video)
The day I realized that a born-again man had defeated Satan, hell, and death, I got so excited..! September, 1991, Believer's Voice of Victory)
God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, Let Him go. Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead - the first born-again man (The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, pg. 36, 1991 booklet)
Contrary to their imaginations he did not become born again in Hell only those who have the nature of sin need a new birth.
Ask yourself What kind of teaching is this that Christ suffered in hell only to be reborn like any other man? No one in Church history had taught such a thing until today's new spiritual revelators came along.
Charles Capp's goes even further, Jesus was born again in the pit of hell. He was the firstborn, the first begotten, from the dead. He started the Church of the firstborn in the gates of hell... He went down to the gates and started His Church there....The Church started when Jesus was born again in the gates of hell. (C.Capps, Authority in Three Worlds, op. cit. p.212-213)
The Bible-Acts 2, the Church was born on Pentecost when the Spirit of God was sent to those in the upper room and the gospel was preached at Jerusalem where 3,000 were saved.
Heb.10:29: Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
The Bible teaches that our redemption comes through the blood of the cross (Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:14, 20).
The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin. (1 Jn.1:7). All Sin; which means there was nothing needed to be added. When He said, it is finished on the cross, that is exactly what He meant.
We receive this gift is by faith: It pleased God, by the foolishness of preaching, to save them that believe (I Cor. 1:21). Believe what? The Gospel! It is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. (Rom 1:16). Believe what? I Cor. 15:1-4 that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again. That is it, no more no less.
Where did He die for our sins becomes the crucial question? I ask you, do these
teachers present the blood of Christ as the finished atonement for sin or
suffering in Hell. If a Bible teacher presents the blood of Christ as not the
finished atonement for sin and further suffering is included; whether Gethsamane
or Hell is required, this is a false representation of Jesus work to atone for
sin. This is no different than one mischaracterizing the person of Jesus at the
incarnation. It becomes a different Jesus, and a different Gospel -- a Jesus who
did not save through the atonement on the cross, and instead redeemed us in Hell!
What a terrible distortion of the most important event God did for mankind. Only
teachers in biblical ignorance and sinister ministers would promote this
new, improved version of the New Covenant.
Philippians 3:18: For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ.