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Proofs of the Trinity

What we believe

We believe there is one God who has revealed himself in 3 persons. That the Father is God unbegotten ,That Christ Jesus is God begotten of the Father. Being the Son of God from eternity, who took on human flesh, died and rose in the same body and sits at the right hand of the Father until he returns. That the Holy Spirit is God. all are different personalities which share in the same essence of eternal, uncreated Spirit.

When we say that they are all personal, we note that there are necessary elements that constitute personality (separate identities ) in each one. Each has a will, intellect and emotions, besides different titles and names to describe functions in their positions. All this makes them different persons. These distinctions do not take away from their unity as one God. For example, It is the Son who died for all mankind; the Father and the Spirit did no, the Son became human flesh, and still is in the flesh, while the other two are not.

Each have a different position and function yet none act on their own but in unity. There is never more than 3 mentioned as God. All 3 are involved in creation and redemption of man. All of these persons are eternal, co- equal in power and majesty and deserve our worship.

The view that God is numerically one person undermines the doctrine of the Triune God. Those that hold this view claim that the triune nature of God is incompatible with a faith that says there is only one God. Although it appears harmless, it cuts at the core of the very nature of God. They misrepresent what the history of the church taught. Putting blame on the Roman Catholic church, claiming that it taught a Chritianized paganism. They have not taken the time to understand why we have come to the biblical conclusion on the Trinity.

We hold to the scriptural interpretation and the traditional orthodox belief that was delivered in the early church from the Apostles. The same men that preserved and protected the Bible, sometimes giving their lives, also defended the triune nature from such one's who denied the deity of Christ, and other Christological errors. It is for this reason that Christianity has classified the denial of Jesus Christ's deity and the Triune nature of God as the common denominator of all cults.

Modalism is the Hollywood interpretation of God. Each new act deserves a new role or form , as God assumes a new title and name, yet no one of them are the permanent person. There is no eternal Son or Father because they cease, as they are only temporary roles dispensed with after they are used By the "one person."

Trinitarian theology revolves on a Christology that is key to Gods persons. While pre-existence does not prove he is the son (because it could mean he is the Father) the clear statements of all three pre-existing rule out any other conclusion. If any one person is to be called God they would have to be eternal omniscient and omnipresent. We find that all three the Father , the Son and the H.Spirit all share in common these attributes .

All 3 are THE ONE GOD

Oneness likes to think that Father, Son and Spirit are only titles and roles that God the Spirit plays throughout time. If we examine the biblical record their view is "contradictions are us."

The Father is God Gal.1:1, Eph..4:6, Gal.1:1 "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;" the him is the Son)

Phil.1:2 "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord"

The Son is God Rom.9:5, Col.2:9, Jn.1:1... "and the word was God."

1 Jn. 5:20..., and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." Rom. 9:5 Isa. 9:6, Col.2:9, Heb. 1:8

The Holy Spirit is God Gen. 1:2, Acts 5:3-4, 1Cor.2:11, 1 Cor.6:19, 1 Cor3:17 .."Now the Lord (Yahweh) is that Spirit" Isa. 11:2 The Spirit of the Lord.

All three simultaneously exist

The Father is eternal James 1:17

The Son is eternal Hebrews 13:8 " Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever." Micah 5:2 " speaking of Jesus-whose goings forth are from old (ancient times) from everlasting (eternity)"

The Holy Spirit is eternal Heb. 9:14

This is crucial to knowing who and what is God, to be infinite, eternal before anything exists includes all three. If not then one must choose which one to exclude. But why the Son? Why not the Father ? These are questions that will be made clear as you read through the book.The point is why call all three God or eternal unless all three are different. While words are used to describe any of these three in different functions and ministry it does not say they are God or eternal. The scripture is clear that there are only three attributed to being eternal and called God.

All three were responsible for creation.

the Father was involved in the creation; ( Eph. 3:14, Mal. 2:10)

The Son was involved in the creation ( Jn.1:3, Heb. 1:2 Col. 1:16 ) All things were made through him.

The Holy Spirit was involved in the creation ( Ps. 104:30, Job 26:13 "By his spirit he made the heavens Job 33:4

The term Elohim is the most ancient name that describes the God who is the creator of all things existing. There are also three persons that are associated with the creation, and have Gods attributes, never more than three. I challenge any Oneness adherent to find otherwise ! How can all three be attributed to being the creator if there is only one existing at a time?

Since all three were involved in creating and all other acts of God. They all are eternal, and are responsible for the same activities. Then all three are the one Elohim, three in unity, acting as the one God.

This is denied by Oneness, Bernard one of their apologists states... "God was the Holy Spirit back at creation and used his role as spirit in creation (Gen.1:2) furthermore, God used his role as son-that is, he depended upon his plan for the future sonship-back at creation. (Heb.1:2)" (Oneness of God p.143)

The son is only a plan that will unfold in the future, how convenient. What we now have a contradiction. Because all three are attributed in the same manner as being involved in creation of the world and man. Bernard insists the Son is the humanness only and that it speaks of him in the future tense. If this is so why should we believe that the Father or Spirit were there too ? The lengths some will go to deny the eternal Sonship.

Actually we shouldn’t be surprised if another movement comes along and says the Son alone existed and the Father wasn't there. They would have just as much ammunition in scripture to twist for their beliefs. The truth of the matter is, if the Bible attributes eternality and participation to all three, then we should believe it and not be unbelieving.

Bernard goes further in his prophetic philosophizing saying, "We cannot confine God to three or any other number of specific roles and titles. Neither can we sharply divide him because he is one. Even his titles and roles overlap." (Oneness of God D.Bernard p.143)

God is the maker of the universe, creator of all that exists. He is worshipped by all the creatures, made both angels and men. He is called the only Lord and God.

ONE LORD

The scripture states there is one Lord Eph.4:5 Yet we find this position assigned to three and no more than this.

The Father- is Lord of heaven and earth Mt.11:25

Jesus- Jesus Christ is Lord Phil.2:10-11, 2 Cor.4:5 He is called the Lord from heaven in 1 Cor.15:47. He is Lord of Lords king of kings in Rev.17:14 "These shall make war with the Lamb and the Lamb shall overcome them; for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings, and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful".

Deut. 10:17 tells us that Yahweh is the LORD OF LORDS. Only if Christ IS Yahweh and the Father IS Yahweh do we have any consistency in scripture. You CANNOT have two LORD OF LORDS! Deut. 6:4 says there is one Lord. They are the one God, they are one YAHWEH (Lord).

The H.Spirit - "Now the Lord is that Spirit , and where the Spirit of the Lord is their is liberty" 2 Cor.3:17.

The Greek word used for Lord is kurios in the NT. which is equal to Yahweh in the O.T (kurios is used in the Septuagint is the OT. Hebrew translated into Greek Scriptures).  By this we equate there to be one Yahweh.   As we go into the nature of God we find Lord (Yahweh) is applied to three persons. But there is only one who is called the Lord Jesus Christ. Why?  Because only one person of the Triune God became human.  Neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit incarnated, the Son of God became the Son of man.  Nowhere will you find the Father saying he sends himself or will become a man.  You do find this being said for the Son.

 

ntroduction to the Oneness Movement  Oneness Theology The Word One     Mt.28 Baptism 
  The Word Persons   God Does not change Are Tongues and Baptism Necessary ?
  Proofs of the Trinity    Preexistence of the Son Who died on the Cross ? 
  The Trinity in the Resurrection The Grace of God Jn.1:1   The Son being Sent 
History of Heresies   The Right Hand of God  Today I have Begotten Thee
From the mouth of Two or three Witnesses  Oneness Pentecostals and Trinitarians Unite
Modern beginnings of Oneness The Early Church on Oneness Who was manifested in the flesh?

 

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These are exerpts from the book Who is Jesus ? Answering Oneness Pentecostals attacks on the Trinity. spiral book by Mike Oppenheimer of Let Us Reason ministries HI 96786

 

 

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