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The Persecuted Church




Pt.2 A Kingdom now militancy vs. the Biblical model of patiently waiting for the king to bring the kingdom to earth

He's coming back for a pure and spotless bride.  He’s coming to find faith.

So how do I know that I’m seeing it?  What's the world?  Because if you watch Fox News you get that picture, let me give you a bigger picture, ok?  Between 1990 and 2004, Christians in Cambodia grew from 200 to 400 thousand.  In 1981, Rio de Janeiro had 30 spiritist centers for each evangelical church and by 1996 they had flip-flopped to 40 evangelical churches for each spiritist center.   In the Fungao area of China's Hunan province, over 90% percent of the people are now Christians.  30,000 people in China will give their life to Jesus today - and that's a conservative estimate.  You're scared about the Muslims taken over the world?  More Muslims have given their life to Jesus in the past 10 years than the previous thousand years.  In India, the states of Nagaland and Mizoramare 100% percent Christian today.  From 1992 to 1997 Christians among the Pygmies in the Congo grew from zero to 300,000.

 fact check

Cambodia - 80 percent of Cambodian believers had been martyred during the time of Pol Pot’s Killing Fields. Christians in Cambodia have been steadily growing, Christians number less than 2 percent of the population today.

Fungao area of China's Hunan province – This untrustworthy statement is from Peter Wagner, given at the Living Way Christian Fellowship in Greensboro, North Carolina, on April 25 and 26, 1997.

In the whole province of Hunan there are 300,000 Christians. Fungao is not large or major area. Christianity in China goes back to the 7th century, we may be seeing an increase from all the work done, especially from all the economic reforms starting in the late 1970s.

 There is so much embellishment some say there are but 15-18 million Chinese Christians, others say more http://www.internationalbulletin.org/issues/2003-01/2003-01-006-lambert.pdf

Most of the Christians are predominantly women. According to the Pew forum (as of 8 years ago) there are 67,070,000 five percent of China is some kind of Christian; 58 million are called Protestants. http://www.pewforum.org/files/2011/12/ChristianityAppendixC.pdf

Among the churches popular in this province are the True Jesus Church and The Shouters and several other sects that are Not good. http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4b6fe1890.pdf

As a far as an increased response among Muslims, this may be true but has to be considered relative to the amount of Muslims that have nearly doubled in the world in the last hundred years.

From what I have heard from a missionary, Nagaland has a lot of unsound Christianity, those schisms should not be counted. I think it is wrong to count converts like this. How can anyone know for sure these numbers, there’s no follow up, no accurate data - base. And I also have to wonder what kind of Christianity is being accepted; considering what Dabdoub is teaching, what do they accept as Christian? Yes, there are numerous people coming to know Christ all over the world many of these numbers are embellished and exaggerated. Let’s be honest about the facts. There are real missionaries giving the gospel that have nothing to do with the methodology that Dabdoub is offering as the answer.

“See the thing is, is that when you feed yourself on the power - we’re worshipers - when you feed yourself on the power of the enemy and what he's doing then you become a worshiper and you do it by fear.  The problem is, is that you know if God’s speaking because it's always going to produce the fruit of the Spirit.  So that if the stuff that you're hearing is not producing love, if it's not reproducing joy, if it's not producing hope, if it’s not producing peace and patience and kindness and gentleness and all this, then you can disregard it.  It's the wrong spirit.  It's a spirit of this world.  It’s the enemy who's trying to rule again and he wants your authority.  And the only way that he gets her authority is when you come into agreement with him.

When we worship we are not feeding on power. We are giving thanks and praise to God, exalting him. Today they have made worship to transfer power to individuals and the church, that is not how the Scripture defines it. It is to be from the overflow of our heart. Just as prayer is to communicate with God; there is no power praying.

 Apparently God does not speak warnings by his Spirit, so we can throw out numerous negative scriptures which means a lot of pages in the Bible will be missing, especially of the prophets.

So the only option that you have with this mindset - and this was the mindset that I grew up in - is that the devil is in control and I'm a slave to him and I have to just do whatever is going on because the world it's going down and we're just gonna hold on until Jesus comes.

His fatalistic option is not the Biblical solution we are given as believers, we are set free and can walk in victory. Unlike the world that is held captive (See Eph.2). Scripture states, the whole world lies sway under the wicked one.

We, the church can be obedient to him but that does not exempt the world from being affected and fulfilling the prophecies. Jesus said to continue his work UNTIL He comes.

When Jesus becomes my focus I realize because he's overcome, I’ve already overcome.  It's not being surprised by anything that we see but it is starting to recognize that the kingdom is breaking in.” 

I Jn 5:4-5 “For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? And we are told to continue believing v.13.

 His statement the kingdom “breaking in” is not clear, we know the kingdom is in one’s life individually when they believe the gospel (which apparently he does not focus on.) The kingdom on earth will not be seen UNTIL Jesus returns.

There is a spiritual Kingdom, which is God’s rule in the heart of every believer. This is an invisible spiritual kingdom. In this way the kingdom resides in us and we are in the Kingdom. However, there is a literal kingdom, The messianic ruling by Jesus that will commence from His Second Coming when He will be physically present to rule from Israel for 1,000 years, and the saints will co-reign with Him. This is the “true kingdom” on earth that we are to be patiently waiting for. The Lord being the king over all the earth (liken to David being King over Israel). The prophets prophesied of a time when a descendant of David's would take the throne as king. He would be the Lord's anointed, the Messiah (Jer. 33:15-16; Amos 9:11; Micah 5:2). 1 Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.”We are flesh and blood still until that day of transformation.

The Kingdom is not the church! If it were, this would mean that God is ruling the earth by the Church. There are several distinctions between the church and the Kingdom. The terms “church” and “kingdom” are never used interchangeably in Scripture as the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are used. Of the 114 occurrences of the word “church” (Gr. “Ekklesia), it is never used with the Kingdom.

We are now servants, we enter in through Christ by the New Birth, but there is still a literal future Kingdom to come. There is a spiritual aspect to the Kingdom and there is a literal physical aspect.

For more on the kingdom - http://www.letusreason.org/biblexp112.htm

“And you know what?  Sometimes as my ministry and things are being discussed and everything, sometimes all of us - when it comes to signs and wonders and power of the Holy Spirit - always get things really wrong in terms of we just keep putting it in a box and we keep making it, it gets really small and it only gets to be like these cool encounters at gas stations and stuff like that.  

I’m just about to blow open the door for you guys to be completely sucked into the vortex in the kingdom of God for Jackson area and it's gonna be amazing.

So, let me help you understand this.  Jesus talked about, he said the parable - and there's one on the parables, it's actually in Luke 19- and it's the parable when he was talking about stewardship.  And usually we use this stewardship always with regard to money.  And he talks in this particular parable about the guy who gets ten talents or minas, and the next person gets five in the last person gets one.  And each one, the guy who had ten, remember, he doubled it?  And he was a faithful servant he was like, “You've stewarded what you got and I’m gonna give you more.”  The five guy, he gets five more gifts to order to what you've gotten I'm gonna give you more.  But then there was the one who says this in verse twenty, “Then another came and said,‘Lord here’s your mina which I've kept laid up in a handkerchief for I was constantly afraid of you because you’re a stern, hard, severe man - you pick up what you did not lay down and you reap what you did not sow’.  He said to the servant, "I will judge you and condemn you out of your own mouth you wicked slave.  You knew, did you, that I was a stern man picking up in what I did not lay down reaping what I did not sow.  Then why didn't you put my money in the bank so than on my return I might have collected it with interest?"

Here's the deal.  Want me to frame it for you? The position of the US church is to sand bag what we have left, because it's fear. We've misunderstood our Father because we think He's a stern man.  We don't realize that the possession that we have in our hands right now is our possession.  It's not for God to come down and keep trying to - He gave us the possession to extend it and when he comes back He's looking for faith.  He's looking for people who didn't believe the signs that were around them but we're looking for His voice and seeing what He's doing.  And we have to be those kinds of people. 

To generalize that all the churches in the US are fearful is offensive and also absurd.

Jesus said the signs around us in the end were to tell us the lateness of the time, I have no idea what is meant by not believing them. As far as sucked into the vortex in the kingdom of God that’s Todd Bentley language, and he did not have a Biblical experience.

See it makes sense that if in this passage He also says "You took care of these of these ten talents?  How about now you'll rule ten cities."

Because the way that it works is that the kingdom is just as alignment in the spiritual realm as we are in the physical.  That if we become people who will rule cities, that we will rule cities in the future as well.

You understand what I'm saying?  What I'm saying is that Jackson, Mississippi, and this whole area is your inheritance.  And when Jesus is coming he's looking for people who would steward the city that they've been given.  And what if when Jesus returns when he looks at what we've done he's having to do a bunch of clean up?  But what he's doing is, he's saying, "You guys staked this place out, my kingdom is set up here, so why don't I give you guys Detroit now since you did such an amazing job with Jackson."  That's what the increase of the Kingdom looks like.

I can't believe in an increase of the Kingdom and then hold at the same time that we're going to be a weak End-Times church.  It does not - it doesn't make sense. 

First, the Lord rewards the talents when he returns not before, so his concept is flawed.

If what he is saying is accurate then to give a city like Detroit to those in Jackson means the Christians failed in Detroit, or, the Lord had no kingdomizers there.

 But this is not what Jesus is saying at all. All he is saying is to invest in his work with your money, your time and talents. Not literally take over cities.

Not taking over land (like Jabez) does not make one weak but smart because it’s not what we are called to do, only if you buy into the kingdomizers spiritual expansion pack can this make sense.

Let’s see Daboub’s success in his city; don’t tell us, show us.

And mentioning an alignment in the spiritual realm is new age concept, its not Biblical. Clearly he is referencing on earth like in heaven.

If this is what we are to do why did Peter and John get arrested? Did they fail?  Why were the apostles taken away from Jerusalem and told to go elsewhere and see it fall, that’s not increase. Because it was prophesied and we cannot change prophecy which is God’s word. God knows the future and we need to listen to his voice in SCRIPTURE.

 Here is what the Bible says, the very same things are taught in Revelation which is the future of the world (which Daboud and other kingdomizers do not believe – a tribulation is coming first)

First we read Dan. 7:21-22 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them,

This is repeated in Rev, 13:7-9 describing the tribulation period “It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

Dan 7:22-24 "until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom. "Thus he said: 'The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces.”

Dan 7:25-27 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time. (that the last 3 and half years of the tribulation period Rev.13)  'But the court shall be seated, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and destroy it forever. Then the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

Daniel said prior “And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed…it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms” (Daniel 2:44).

So when Jesus returns are Christians ruling the earth? NO they are not. According to the Bible the kingdomizers all fail to do what they are saying they are going to do. The kingdom that exists when Christ returns to destroyed. That’s the bible, not my opinion.

“The rest for the church and the rest to the world is blowing up and they believe different things because what you believe is what you'll manifest. So by faith we fulfill the prophecy that takes - it takes no faith to believe the world's gonna go to hell in a hand-basket.  It doesn't take any faith for me to think that our politicians aren't gonna work out issue with budget and they're not gonna fix social security and all this other stuff.  It doesn't require any faith. 

 It does require faith cause faith is seeing what the Father sees.  In your five-step prayer model as we're ministering over people were always asking this question, "Daddy what are you doing and where you at work?"  And that's a thing for us.”

Here we have him teaching religious science “what you believe is what you'll manifest.” He also has a different definition of what faith is. No wonder he can believe this alternate reality to Bible prophecy. Faith is to trust in God and His word. It takes faith to believe in both the good and bad in Scripture. It’s not faith when you refuse to believe that God said judgment is coming on the world. You are not walking in faith or in victory when you do not acknowledge the truth. So it is the opposite of what he is saying.

Jude 1:14-18 explains of that day when Christ returns to execute judgment on the ungodly.  To believe this is by faith.



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