Lucifer’s Fall in Heaven, Mans Exaltation on Earth
Jesus, Lucifer and you were all brothers in your pre-existence. You may not believe this and you certainly won’t find this in the pages of the Bible, but this is what Mormonism teaches. Of course they want to distance themselves from such obvious erroneous statements, but this can be proven by their own quotes. This teaching has been part of Mormonism from the time of Joseph Smith and has not changed. Because of teachings like these, their unorthodox theological views on Christ, the Father and man they will continue to receive criticism from Biblical Christians.
According to Mormonism each brother presented a plan to win the ability to offer salvation. Lucifer wanted his plan of salvation to be used, but was rejected and thrown out of heaven. They claim Jesus came forth with the “better” plan and his was accepted. But in practice it is Lucifer’s doctrine they use; that one can become like God. Jesus never taught men can become a god for the simple reason there was only one true God, He would know- He was God. According to Mormonism it was his plan that Adam and Eve accepted (the first spirit children to become human), it is his plan the Mormon’s use as model for their progression to exaltation.
Mormons use the Bible claiming their interpretations are correct and a Christians is not. However, when it comes to understanding Scripture it often interprets itself by the support of other Scripture. Without a hermeneutical principle, one can make a doctrine from any single passage such as ie. John 10, where Jesus said, “ye are gods.” One must have the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit to be lead into truth.
Joseph Fielding Smith's Gospel Doctrine, on page 371 stated that; “The devil knows the Father much better than we. Lucifer, the son of the morning, knows Jesus Christ, the Son of God, much better than we; but in him it is not and will not redound to eternal life; for knowing, he yet rebels; knowing, he is yet disobedient; he will not receive the truth; he will not abide in the truth; hence he is perdition, and there is no salvation for him.”
Here is the one the Bible calls a liar and has NO TRUTH in him, the Father of LIES (John 8:44) and the Mormons statement is that the devil knows Jesus better then they do. Unfortunately, they may be closer to the truth on this than they may think.
Mormon Apostle Parley P. Pratt's states, “God, angels, and men are all of the same species, one race, one great family...” (Key to the Science of Theology, 1978 ed., pg. 21). Thus we are all brothers, of both Jesus and Lucifer and they are the same as God. Think about what he has stated. If Lucifer and Jesus are are spirits created by God (angels) and Both God and men are all included as the same species then there really is no difference in any of us. man is God so are spirits. This is why we conclude Mormonism is confused.
Joseph F. Smith the sixth prophet of the LDS Church said of their Jesus, “Among the spirit children of Elohim, the first-born was and is Jehovah, or Jesus Christ, to whom all others are juniors” (Gospel Doctrine, p. 70). Mormons believe that Jesus Christ, Lucifer, and all of us were spirit children of God in the pre-mortal world (Mormon Doctrine, p. 278). Jesus is called “the First Spirit Child born to God the Father in Preexistence” (Ibid. p.28).
“In the pre-mortal spirit life Jesus, Lucifer, and all of us were the spirit children of God and His wives” (Gospel Through the Ages, pp. 15, 93-99; Journal of Discourses, Vol. XI, p. 122). That is wive[s].
“Jesus is Gods firstborn son Lucifer is the 2nd born on down to you and I and Jesus is our elder brother.”(The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p.33) “..That Lucifer, the son of the morning, is our elder brother and the brother of Jesus Christ.” (B. McConkie, Mormon doctrine p.163-164) Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and you are part of their spirit family in heaven. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote in Mormon Doctrine, The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (p. 129). So this makes Jesus is the Devils older brother, but we too are in the same family as the devils younger brothers. McConkie explains, “Since all men are the personal spirit children of the Father, and since Christ was the firstborn spirit offspring, it follows that he is the Elder Brother of all men” (Mormon Doctrine, p.214). [Emp. Mine]
The twelfth President of the Mormon church, Spencer W. Kimball wrote, “Long before you were born a program was developed by your creators ... The principal personalities in this great drama were a Father Elohim, perfect in wisdom, judgment, and person, and two sons, Lucifer and Jehovah.” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, pp. 32-33 )
The former president of the Mormon church stated, “on the temple's pinnacles and on the high mountain, a momentous contest took place between two brothers, Jehovah and Lucifer, sons of Elohim.” (Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Report, April 1964, P.95 also Faith Precedes the Miracle, p.87)
“The appointment of Jesus to be savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer…the spirit brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the savior of mankind” (the Gospel throughout the Ages p.15)
How can Mormonism teach Jesus and Lucifer are brothers and claim to believe in the Jesus of the Bible? Mormonism can say this because they do not believe the Bible. John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16,17; and Hebrews 1:1-2,10 all state it was through Jesus ALL things were created? Rom 9:5 according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen” in other words he always was God, he did not become a god as other gods did before him.
According to the Bible Lucifer is a creation of Jesus, he can't be His spirit or our spirit brother, the Bible affirms Jesus as the God over ALL creation. Therefore neither Lucifer nor we are in the same class, species, family, we are not spirit brethren.
Madame Blavatsky of the Occult religion of Theosophy called Christ the brother of Satan. Is it a coincidence that Joseph Smith taught the same thing?
The Bid for Salvation
According to Mormonism, “We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, “Whom shall I send?” (Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, “Here am I, send me” (Abraham 3:27)... Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, “Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor” (Moses 4:1).
Mormon leaders taught that aeons ago the time came to present a salvation plan for those of God's children who would eventually advance to a mortal state. Two of Elohim's sons, Jehovah (the pre-incarnate Christ) and Lucifer, presented their respective salvation plans for mortal man. According to Mormon President Harold B. Lee: “... Lucifer, a son of God in the spirit world before the earth was formed, proposed a plan under which mortals would be saved without glory and honor of God. The plan of our Savior, Jehovah, was to give to each the right to choose for himself the course he would travel to earth life and all was to be done to the honor and glory of God our heavenly father” (Stand Ye In Holy Places, p.219).[Emp. Mine]
The Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price claim that the heavens and earth were created by a council of Gods. Since we could not progress further in heaven, Heavenly Father called a Grand Council together to present his plan for mans progression (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 348, 349, 365). Mormonism teaches that God proposed a plan for mans progression. For us to come to earth from heaven receive physical bodies to learn. (Abraham 3:24-26, Doctrine and Covenants 29:39.)
Joseph Smith tells us “The head God brought forth the Gods in the grand council… The head God called together the Gods and sat in grand council to bring forth the world. The grand counsellors sat at the head in yonder heavens, and contemplated the creation of the worlds which were created at that time…. The contention in heaven was--Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the Devil said he could save them all, and laid his plans before the grand council, who gave their vote in favour of Jesus Christ. So the Devil rose up in rebellion against God, and was cast down, with all who put up their heads for him” (Joseph Smith, King Follett Discourse).
“…the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was…” (Doctrine and Covenants 121:32). “In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5). Smith, Mormonism’s founder said “In all the congregations when I have preached on the subject of the deity, it has been the plurality of Gods” (J. Smith History of the church vol.6 pp.308, 474)
“Thus when the Father presented his own plan in the pre-existent council, he asked for volunteers from whom he could choose a Redeemer to be born into mortality as the Son of God. Lucifer offered to become the Son of God on condition that the terms of the Father's plan were modified to deny men their agency and to heap inordinate reward upon the one working out the redemption. Christ, on the other hand, accepted the Father's plan in full, saying, “Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever.” Our Lord was then foreordained to a mission which in due course he fulfilled, which mission enabled him to make salvation available to all men. (Moses 4:1-4; Abraham 3:22-28.)
“When the great council was held in heaven, in which all of us were involved, the Father presented his plan for peopling the earth and for the salvation of men.
“Lucifer wanted to amend the plan. He proposed to destroy the agency of
men and to save all mankind, that not one soul would be lost. This he would
accomplish through outright force and coercion, denying all persons the right
So they voted on who had the better plan? Of course none of this is to be found in the Bible, its attributed to a plain and precious promise that is missing. Somehow God neglected to tell us these nuggets that are necessary for our progression to be gods, which Mormons call salvation. The fact that they demote Jesus to a spirit who submits a plan that the gods will decide seems to have the stuff of fables in it.
“One of the Father's spirit sons was to be chosen to create the earth and redeem its inhabitants. When the
Father, Elohim, inquired, “Whom shall I send?” there were two who volunteered to go. Because the Father selected the first, the second became angry and did not keep his first estate; and in his rebellion there were many who followed after him. These facts, only, Abraham records; and statements from other scriptures are necessary to fill in the details. (Hyrum L. Andrus, Doctrinal Commentary on The Pearl of Great Price, p. 107, 1967).
“The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer. ...this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind” (The Gospel Through The Ages, M. R. Hunter).
Lucifer may be desperate, but not to become a savior, a destroyer would be more accurate. What I find interesting is that where the Bible is silent the Mormon prophets are more than willing to speak.
President George Q. Cannon said, “He was our brother, sitting side by side with our Redeemer, having equal opportunities with him. But he rebelled. He turned against the Father because he could not have his own way.”
John A. Widtsoe comments, “It is learned that Lucifer strove to gain the birthright of his Elder Brother, Jesus the Christ and became Satan, the enemy of God” (Evidences and Reconciliations, p.209).
Jesus and Lucifer are not a heavenly Jacob and Esau. This is a complete denial of the uniqueness of the Son of God. Jesus is the name given to him when He was born; He is unknown as Jesus before his birth. He is the ONLY Son of God, and again being a Son does not mean offspring, but one who is unique, having a special relationship to the Father that no other enjoys.The apostle John saw the Son and in Rev 1:17-18 Jesus said to him “ I am the First and the Last.”
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., wrote, “We learn from the scriptures that Lucifer -- once a son of the morning, who exercised authority in the presence of God before the foundations of this earth were laid -- rebelled against the plan of salvation and against Jesus Christ who was chosen to be the Savior of the world and who is spoken of as the 'Lamb slain from the foundation of the world”(Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.218-219).
It is true that Lucifer was not always sinful and rebelled but the same way Mormonism teaches. What is interesting that he quotes the Scripture but has no understanding what this actually means. 1 Pet. 1:20 “He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world.” This in no way has the connotation of being chosen as in having a better plan than another. This was before the foundation of the world, according to the Bible the first of God creation was the heaven and the earth, the plan was formed for the atonement, before anything was created, none but God were involved. “[Before the foundation of the world] That is, from eternity. It was before man was formed; before the earth was made; before any of the material universe was brought into being; before the angels were created” (Barnes' Notes). In the mind of God this was decided without any counsel from any other creature. Of course Mormonism believes God himself is a creature so they cannot arrive at the correct Biblical conclusion.
“Lucifer, our elder brother who desired the glory for himself, stood up and proposed his own plan. (Ensign, official Church magazine, December, 1980, pp.3-5.)
How could Lucifer have a plan of salvation, when did God take counsel with any of the angels on this? Isa. 40:13-14: “Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or as His counselor has taught Him? With whom did He take counsel, and who instructed Him, and taught Him in the path of justice? Who taught Him knowledge, and showed Him the way of understanding?” The answer is NO ONE. God does not counsel with angels nor anything created to accomplish his decrees. God does not lack knowledge; He is not like man that needs to learn. Romans 11:34: “For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become His counselor?” The answer is NO ONE.
Apostle James Talmage's detailed explanation of the primeval council of the Gods. (Abraham 3:23-28 Pearl of Great Price) Talmage in his book, “Jesus the Christ,” on Pages 132 and 133, discusses the council that is supposed to have taken place concerning “Free Agency” and the attack on it by Lucifer. He states that Christ may not have remembered the part He had taken in the great council of the “Gods” where the Firstborn Son's plan was chosen and Lucifer, the rebellious and rejected son's plan was refused.( “Jesus the Christ,” pp. 132 - 133)
Why did he not remember? Because his spirit was compressed according to Mormon teaching.
“Satan's proposal of compulsion was rejected by the Father, and Lucifer `was angry, and kept not his first estate; and many followed after him' (Abraham 3:28) [Mormon book, The Pearl of Great Price]
According to Mormon theology, Lucifer and those spirits who fought with him were cast to earth without bodies and became the devil and his demons. Those others who were less than valiant became the black race and those who fought valiantly became the “white and delightsome” race.
In the Bible God says of Lucifer Ezekiel 28:15: “You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.” Was his iniquity the offer of salvation that was not pleasing to the council? No, the Bible tells us “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High” (Isa 14:12-14). Five “I wills; the asserting of self, and the most serious, “I will be like the Most High.”
In Mormon theology the idea of telling Eve she will be like God was not a serious sin (in fact it was a blessing) and did not result in a sinful nature being passed down to all humanity. He was only offering a shortcut (as Mormon missionaries have told me). But the Bible says that wanting to be God instigated the fall of Lucifer in heaven and made him become the accuser. The Mormon church hides the truth from their people and then makes a fantasy story reinterpreting the events of the Bible to suit their own prophets words.
Milton R. Hunter, a member of the Mormon First Council of the Seventy (a Mormon General Authority), wrote, “The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind” (The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).
The Bible does not say he wanted to be the savior, he wanted to be God and worshipped. This is the very doctrine that they are delivering to their people.
According to Mormonism what did Lucifer propose that made him fall?
Here is the greatest difference -- Mormonism substitutes works for grace instead of works springing from grace through faith as the Bible teaches. “Therefore, acting alone, the grace of Christ is not sufficient for salvation. The works of man -- the ordinances of salvation, the deeds of service and acts of charity and mercy -- are necessary for salvation...” (By Grace Are We Saved: The necessity of God's grace in addition to man's good works, 1989 ed., p. 70)
“The works of man -- the ordinances of salvation, the deeds of service and acts of charity and mercy -- are necessary for salvation...,” “Salvation by grace alone and without works … is akin to what Lucifer proposed in preexistence.”
“As with the proposal of Lucifer in the preexistence to save all mankind, so with the doctrine of salvation by grace alone, without works, as it is taught in modern Christendom -- both concepts are false. There is no salvation in either of them. They both come from the same source; they are not of God”(What Think Ye of Salvation by Grace p. 49; cf. Robert Millet, p. 73)
Salvation is not by grace. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie expounded on this, “Salvation by grace alone and without works as it is taught in large segments of Christendom today, is akin to what Lucifer proposed in preexistence -- that he would save all mankind and one soul should not be lost.
Is it Lucifer that offered salvation by grace, or is it God. The Bibles position is God offered us grace through His Son and this proves that Mormons do not hold to the Bible being inspired, in fact they are calling God who wrote the Scripture through the apostle Paul and others liars.
Paul says, “the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God”
(Acts 20:24). Eph 2:8-10 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast”
“being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 3:24). V.28 “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law”
Titus 3:5: “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.”
Acts 18:27 “and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace”
Rom 6:14: “for you are not under law but under grace.” “And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace” (Rom 11:6). But the Mormon church says there must be works to earn salvation or one cannot be saved. While Christian teaching is that works spring because of our salvation.
Jesus said to the thief on the cross (who repented) today you will be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43). This thief was neither baptized nor did any works to earn his salvation, he simply believed and was promised to be with Jesus.
Any religion that does not recognize the grace of God by the cross of Christ cannot call themselves Christian. We are redeemed “with the precious blood of Christ” (1 Peter 1:18-19), His work for us on the cross which makes salvation BY GOD’S GRACE. Yet, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31) is rejected by the Mormon Church.
The fact that Mormonism attributes to Lucifer the doctrine of grace and then has man work for their salvation with the goal of becoming gods shows their animosity toward the revelation God has given His Church since its inception.
The only one who was not God that wanted to be God was a spirit named Lucifer. It was Lucifer who rejected monotheism (the belief in one God) and introduced polytheism (belief in many gods). He began this by first saying He wanted to be like the most high, striving to be another god other in competition with the one true God in heaven. He brought this lie to Earth through a confrontation with Eve saying you will be like God, offering her godhood. Adam and Eve learned the knowledge of evil from Satan not exaltation. When she had Adam fall with her Satan then became “the god (ruler over) of this world” (2 Cor 4:4) and he has continually been feeding this lie in various ways throughout the centuries. The most mileage he has got out of it is through religion, promoting concepts of polytheism, telling people to discover ones own inherent Godhood. Satan and his ministers can and often quote the Bible. But they twist Scripture’s meaning and their application is false. When one misuses the Bible like this they become a victim to the Father of lies. They can become a follower of false gods, even believing they are one them self. One day Satan will have his influence through the man of sin, the son of perdition, “who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (2 Thess. 2:3-4)
Who is God to Mormons: LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie in his book Mormon Doctrine, under the section Plurality of Gods taught: “a plurality of Gods exists. To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship. But in addition there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods,” (pp. 576-77; see also pp. 321-22). [Emp. Mine]
Notice that apostle McConkie said gods, in the plural-- not disagreeing with his founder Joseph Smith.
LDS firmly believes in man attaining their own godhood, "To this end God created man to live in mortality and endowed him with the potential to perpetrate the race, to subdue the earth, to perfect himself and to become God, omniscient and omnipotent" (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 2). [Emp. Mine]
In a speech Spencer W. Kimball, the twelfth president of the church, made some revealing comments which were broadcast to those serving in the priesthood: “Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. 1 suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. 1 think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000” (The Ensign, p. 80, Nov. 1975)
The Mormons have more God’s than Hinduism who have limited themselves to 300 million. Mormons have trillions. Anymore than one is more than the Bible says exist, therefore Mormonism cannot be teaching what God has spoken.
Brigham Young surmised, “How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were no Gods and worlds…”(Brigham Young Journal of Discourses, vol. 7 p.333). Brigham Young also stated “The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming God like himself; We are created . . . to become Gods like unto our Father in heaven” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, page 93) [Emp. Mine]
“For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords” (Deut. 10: 17) For the Lamb “is Lord of lords and King of kings” (Rev. 17:14).
There is not a God over each world, nor is there numerous Gods that decided the plan for mankind. If the Jesus you have is a created being, either on earth or in heaven, an offspring of another god you have another Jesus (2 Cor.11:3-4), you have received another gospel. Which Jesus do you have? This is serious; every Mormon needs to believe Jesus’ words in the Bible not accept what anyone has told them that would lead them to another Jesus.
“But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. “You search the Scriptures (the Bible), for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. “But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life” (John 5:38-40). Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, the life…”
Jesus said: “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. “He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me” (John 14:23-24).The words of eternal life are found in the Bible.