Leo Schreven OFFERS $1,000 and a Much more!
Leo Schreven speaking at 7th day Adventist church in Honolulu
(Christ Exposes the antichrists greatest deception affecting you. Tape 10 side 2)
“my friends there is not one text in the Bible anywhere from Genesis
to Revelation that says Sunday is the Sabbath or that it was changed from Saturday
to Sunday or that the day of worship was changed or anything like that whatsoever,
not a single text.”
“… so clear Am I on that fact tonight here’s what I’m gonna do, in this
“It is written seminar” we try to be totally Bible based and as open as we can
possibly be. I am prepared to offer 1,000 dollars cash, and I mean this sincerely
I’ll have it here tomorrow night I am prepared to offer a thousand dollars cash
to anyone in this city tonight who can bring me just one Bible verse that’s all
I want just one Bible verse that says Sunday is the Sabbath or that it was changed
from Saturday to Sunday or anything like that. If you bring me one verse
tomorrow night I will give one thousand dollars cash now folks that’s open and
that’s honest and that’s as open as I can be can you say amen.”..All I’m
asking for if its in the Bible Sunday worship is in the Bible we oughtta be able
to find at least one text. But folks not only can you have a thousand dollars you
can have my house, you can have my car you can have my bassboat you can have
everything but my wife.” And I will worship with you anywhere you’d like me to
worship with you this coming weekend .If you can find the text. Not only that
I’ll tell what else I’m going to do tomorrow night for you. If Sunday or first
day of the week is ever said to be holy or if it is ever taught to be Sabbath or
anything like that we ought to be able to find somewhere in the New Testament
The Bibles definition of Sabbath is a day of rest, to 7th Day Adventists it only
means the 7th day (Saturday). So they are myopic in their view. Nonetheless
Schreven is asking for someone to show that Sunday or any other day is
called a Sabbath. He did not say the 7th day Sabbath and he includes this as
“anywhere from Genesis to Revelation that says Sunday is the Sabbath” “or
anything like that whatsoever, not a single text”. So he is clear as what he is
asking, any other day as a Sabbath, which Biblically means a day of rest.
Here’s the scriptures I showed him the next night on paper, which he
Exod. 12:14: “So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance. 15 ‘Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. 16 ‘On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation there shall be a holy convocation there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat-- that only may be prepared by you.17 `So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance.
Notice the first time the Sabbath was given it
was given with the feast of unleaven bread which was called a Holy convocation
just as the 7th day was called a holy convocation.
Since everything needs to be explained to legalistic Sabbatarian’s, I will
make this as concise and clear
as possible since they have a very myopic view of what this means..
as possible since they have a very myopic view of what this means..
Lev. 23:2: “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: `The feasts of
the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
Lev. 23:28-32: “And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day
of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the LORD your God.29 “For any
person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his
people.30 “And any person who does any work on
that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people.31 “You
shall do no manner of work; it shall be a statute forever throughout your
generations in all your dwellings.32 “It shall be to you a Sabbath of
solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at
evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your Sabbath.”
Looks like God himself has another Sabbath day, He just gave them another Sabbath on
the 9th day of the month. While this is not the 7th day Sabbath, it is a
Sabbath (rest) just as the 7th day . The issue is not whether God changed the
Sabbath day to Sunday, he did not, the real issue is whether God gave other days
to be as a Sabbath (which means rest not worship) which the scripture certainly
teaches. The 7th day Adventists and other Sabbatarian's only recognize one Sabbath
and so they interpret the Bible with this view. Lets go on...
Lev. 23:36: `For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the
LORD. On the eighth day you shall have a
holy convocation and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. It is a
sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it. This takes place On
Sunday the 8th day Just like a Sabbath which they claim is a day of
Lev. 23:39: “Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the LORD for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbathrest, and on the eighth day a sabbathrest.”
Here is the first day which is
also the 8th day (a Sunday) is called a Sabbath rest.
Lets see -- God says the first day and eighth day are a Sabbath. On this
Scripture alone Schreven loses his offer. No, they are not the seventh day Sabbath,
but another day called the Sabbath. Why because Sabbath means rest, not 7th
day. There is a 7th day that is a Sabbath each week, but there are also other
days called a Sabbath as well. Because Sabbath means reast.
Why because Sabbath means rest, not 7th day. There is a 7th day that is a Sabbath each week, but there are also other days called a Sabbath as well. Because Sabbath means reast.
Lev. 23:41: `You shall keep it as a feast to the LORD for seven days in the
year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate
it in the seventh month. “ Notice it is to be continuing just as the Sabbath is.
Same words used for the 7th day and this first and eight day, ‘a statute forever
in your generations.” Do Sabbatarian’s keep this day or others that
are commanded like it? Some may, but 7th Day Adventists, absolutely not.
If one entertains the idea that these were ceremonial and done away with, than
what of Zech. 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the
nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship
the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. “
While this can be explained from our perspective its not so easily dismissed from
repeated command in Leviticus 23
these Sabbaths were to be observed forever just as the 7th day one, one
would assume that those who hold to the Sabbath would still be celebrating them as
well if they were true law keepers. Yet these Sabbaths are only recognized today
by very few Messianic groups and those of personal choice.
God says to “keep My Sabbaths” PLURAL not just singular. In Lev.19:3, 30; 23:38, 26:2. I Chron.23:3;2 Chron.8:13. Isa. 1:13, 56:4; Ezek. 20:12 “Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.”
Yahweh never said to keep only the 7th day Sabbath to ISRAEL but all of the Sabbaths.
20:20 “hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you
may know that I am the LORD your God.”
What is WORSHIP?
Is it done and accepted on ONLY one day or more than one day.
Is it done and accepted on ONLY one day or more than one day.Did Israel only worship one day a week?
WORSHIP is... The act of paying honor to a deity; religious reverence and
homage. The rendering of the following Heb. and Gk. words: (from New Unger’s Bible
Notes: (1) The worship of God is nowhere defined in Scripture. A consideration
of the above verbs shows that it is not confined to praise; broadly it may be
regarded as the direct acknowledgment to God, of His nature, attributes, ways and
claims, whether by the outgoing of the heart in praise and thanksgiving or by deed
done in such acknowledgment. (2) In <Acts 17:25> therapeuo, “to serve, do
service to” (so RV), is rendered “is worshiped.”
4352 proskuneo from 4314 and a probable derivative of 2965 (meaning to
kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e.
(literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):
But this was not all, I included New Testament passages showing when they
worshipped the Lord and they were not on the Sabbath only.
Guess what--We can worship on any day, Monday Wednesday and even on a
Sunday, its all legal .
Questions for Adventists to ask themselves; if they really can
justify their position.
Matt. 2:11 “And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child
with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had
opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and
myrrh. Was this the Sabbath ?
Matt. 8:2 And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord,
if You are willing, You can make me clean.” Was this the Sabbath?
Matt. 9:18 While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came
and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your
hand on her and she will live.”
Was this the Sabbath ?
Matt. 14:33: “ Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him,
saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.” Was this the Sabbath ?
Matt. 15:25: “Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord,
help me!” Was this the Sabbath ?
Not once did Jesus rebuke anyone when they worshipped Him, since only God
receives worship, this was true worship on days other than the Sabbath day of
Friday eve to Saturday eve. Do you still think they worshipped on everyday except
Sunday? Prove it by Scripture.
Matt. 28:1: “Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to
dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. vs:9 And as they
went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So
they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. This was on a Sunday the
first day of the week, the resurrection day. If what they are saying is true,
Jesus would have had an obligation to rebuke them!
Matt. 28:17: “Then they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.”
A new way to worship is established as in Jn.4 says to worship in spirit and
in truth, not just in days. It isn’t the place one worships from nor the
day. It was true worship from the heart by those who received the Holy Spirit.
John 9:38: “Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him. Was
this the Sabbath ?
John 12:20: “Now there were certain Greeks among those who came up
to worship at the feast. Was this the Sabbath ?
Luke 24:13: “Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day to a
village called Emmaus, which was about seven miles from Jerusalem.” V.18 “And
the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a
stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there
in these days? V.21 “But we trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things
were done. Was this the Sabbath ? No, it was Sunday the day of
Luke 24:29-51: “But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us:
for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with
them. 31And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of
their sight.32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us,
while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? 33
And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven
gathered together, and them that were with them, 36 And as they thus spake, Jesus
himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. v.52 And
they worshiped Him”, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. On a day
which certainly seems to be Sunday or during the week not on the Sabbath ! 53 And
were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God.” Amen.
Luke 24:49: “And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry
ye in the city of Jerusalem, Acts 2:1 “Now when the Day of Pentecost had fully
come, they were all with one accord in one place. This in relation to Psalm 133
the brethren dwells together in unity, this is an assembly of worship and reading
the Scriptures. This was on a Sunday! Not Saturday. We can worship any day
we please as Paul states who are you to judge another about days (Rom.14)?
Now I have some additional Scriptures that were not shown to Schreven but need
to be to shown to other Sabbatarians.
After receiving the 2nd tablets of the
10 commandments Exod. 34:8 “So Moses made haste and bowed his head toward the
earth, and worshiped. This was Not Sabbath? This couldn’t be the Sabbath
because of the restrictions of rest.
Remember Schreven said, “there is not one text in the Bible anywhere
from Genesis to Revelation that says Sunday is the Sabbath or that it was
changed from Saturday to Sunday or that the day of worship was changed or
anything like that whatsoever.”
I think Leo Schreven owes me $1,000 dollars and probably whole lot of others who were Berean’s and showed him the same thing I did. after all this is not some hidden teaching anyone can find it in an hours time.
What do you think? I showed that God honors other days as the Sabbath (rest),
God calls them a Sabbath. as Ezekiel 20 states keep my Sabbaths (plural?). The New
Testament teaches that its legal to worship on other days, not only that, God
commanded it in the Old Testament when He gave the 7th day. By the way Schreven
didn’t pay me.
I might add that I don’t have any qualms with anyone keeping the Sabbath,
what I do have a problem with is those who make a legalistic stance on it like
Schreven did. From what I understand even his own companions were not happy
at some of the things he said. It is ridiculous to take the position Schreven
does, for no Christian that I have heard has ever taught the Sabbath was changed
to Sunday. The only one who said this was the Roman Catholic church.
No matter what verse would be offered in support of Sunday or “other day”
worship it would not be right or sufficient for the reward that 7th Day
Adventists offer because they don’t care what the “whole” Bible says on this
(Was the Sabbath along with the commandments nailed to the cross? click here to find out)